Dufrain Reviews

User research that uncovered friction we had stopped noticing because it was always there

Eoghan Fitzgerald / VP of Engineering - Shannon Tech Solutions Ltd

Verified
May 19, 2026

Project summary: Integration between our clinic management system and our patient-facing app had been a recurring failure point. We needed an engineering partner who could own the integration layer end to end.

The project brief was ambitious and we had received proposals ranging from two to five times our eventual budget from other vendors. This team came back with a proposal that was commercially realistic and technically credible — and then delivered against it. That alignment between proposal and outcome is not something I take for granted. I have been on the other side of it enough times to know it requires both honesty in the sales process and discipline in delivery. We experienced both.

PROS

Architectural decisions designed for longevity rather than just the current brief, thorough automated test coverage, post-launch stability that validated every technical choice made during discovery

CONS

We underestimated the input required from our subject matter experts during the requirements phase. The team flagged this early but our resource planning did not fully reflect it — our responsibility, not theirs

4.0

Overall

4.5

Quality

4.0

Schedule

4.0

Cost

4.5

Communication

Project TypeUI/UX Design

IndustryHealthcare

Project CostLess than $10,000

DurationAug 2025 – Mar 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

I lead technology at Shannon Tech Solutions Ltd, a growth-stage Healthcare business based in Dublin, Ireland. As VP of Engineering my remit spans product engineering, platform operations, and strategic vendor partnerships. We had reached an inflection point where our internal capacity was not sufficient to execute our roadmap at the pace our market required.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

Our platform had been maintained by a previous vendor for three years and the accumulated technical debt had reached a point where delivery velocity had dropped to a fraction of what it should have been. We needed fresh engineering expertise and a structured plan to address the underlying issues.

What services did the company provide for your project?

Primarily UI/UX Design, with adjacent work in solution architecture and quality assurance. They were responsible for the full build from requirements through to go-live, including integration with four existing systems in our technology landscape. The breadth they covered without requiring additional vendors was commercially and logistically valuable.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

We ran a structured shortlisting process across five vendors. The technical evaluation eliminated two immediately. Of the remaining three, this team's proposal was differentiated by the specificity of their UI/UX Design approach and the evidence base they provided — reference projects in Healthcare contexts, not generic case studies. The reference calls confirmed a track record that the proposal had described accurately.

How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?

Extremely well, in part because they had relevant Healthcare experience that reduced the context-setting overhead significantly. They understood the domain vocabulary, asked the right questions, and translated business requirements into technical specifications with a fidelity that meant the development phase had very few clarification cycles.

How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?

Professional and efficient. The project manager maintained a clear view of the critical path at all times and communicated changes to it transparently. The one significant scope adjustment we made mid-project was handled through a clean change request process — fairly priced, clearly documented, and absorbed without disrupting the overall timeline.

Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?

The project landed on time. The budget was managed within the agreed ceiling, which included one client-driven scope addition that was quoted fairly and handled without affecting the original delivery stream. The discipline around budget transparency throughout meant there was no surprise at invoice stage.

What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?

We went live four months ago. User adoption exceeded the target we had set by 23 percent in the first month. Support ticket volume has dropped measurably. The features we had deferred because the previous architecture made them prohibitively expensive to build are now in development. The platform they built has opened our roadmap.

What did you like most about working with this company?

The willingness to be direct. When our requirements were unclear they said so. When our priorities were contradictory they explained why. When a technical approach we had assumed was the right one turned out to have significant downsides, they told us before we had committed to it. That kind of intellectual honesty is what I look for in a long-term technology partner.

Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?

Absolutely. With a specific note that the value starts in the discovery phase — clients who approach that process with seriousness will get the most from the engagement. We invested appropriately at the front end and the returns are evident in what was delivered.

Service desk that outperformed our previous in-house team on every SLA we tracked

Théo Beaumont / VP of Innovation - Laurentian Tech Partners

Verified
May 02, 2026

Project summary: The project had a board-facing delivery date tied to a strategic initiative. We needed a partner who would treat that date as their own, not ours.

The thing that retrospectively seems most significant is how little drama there was. Complex technology projects tend to accumulate incidents, escalations, and tense conversations. This one did not. Problems were surfaced before they became incidents. Scope changes were handled with process rather than conflict. Risks were managed rather than avoided. That level of maturity is rare in my experience and it made the delivery feel almost effortless from our side, which I know it was not from theirs.

PROS

Collaborative culture that made the team feel like a genuine extension of our organisation, strong asynchronous communication across time zones, zero-drama handling of the inevitable mid-project changes

CONS

Pipeline availability for kickoff required a few weeks of lead time — in hindsight that selection pressure means you are working with a team that is in demand for the right reasons

4.5

Overall

4.0

Quality

4.5

Schedule

4.5

Cost

4.0

Communication

Project TypeIT Managed Services

IndustryEnvironmental Services

Project Cost$500,000+

DurationJun 2025 – Mar 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

I lead technology at Laurentian Tech Partners, a growth-stage Environmental Services business based in Montreal, Canada. As VP of Innovation my remit spans product engineering, platform operations, and strategic vendor partnerships. We had reached an inflection point where our internal capacity was not sufficient to execute our roadmap at the pace our market required.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

A competitive threat had accelerated our roadmap. We had planned a significant IT Managed Services investment for the following year. External pressure moved that timeline forward by six months and required us to find an external partner rather than attempting to build internally in the time available.

What services did the company provide for your project?

Primarily IT Managed Services, with adjacent work in solution architecture and quality assurance. They were responsible for the full build from requirements through to go-live, including integration with four existing systems in our technology landscape. The breadth they covered without requiring additional vendors was commercially and logistically valuable.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

We ran a structured shortlisting process across five vendors. The technical evaluation eliminated two immediately. Of the remaining three, this team's proposal was differentiated by the specificity of their IT Managed Services approach and the evidence base they provided — reference projects in Environmental Services contexts, not generic case studies. The reference calls confirmed a track record that the proposal had described accurately.

How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?

Better than we managed ourselves going in. The workshops they facilitated surfaced assumptions we had not examined and exposed three requirements that were in direct conflict with each other. Resolving those before development began saved us what would certainly have been significant rework later in the project.

How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?

The project management framework was the most structured I have experienced with an external vendor. Sprint planning was tight, acceptance criteria were specific, retrospectives were honest and acted on. The project manager treated the shared backlog as a live document and the risk register as an operational tool rather than a compliance artefact. I never had to ask for a status update.

Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?

Yes to both. There was a single sprint where a dependency on a third-party API introduced a one-week delay. The team identified it three weeks in advance, presented two mitigation options, and we agreed on an approach that recovered the schedule within the same sprint cycle. That level of foresight is what separates good project management from reactive problem management.

What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?

The ROI case we presented to our board was conservative by design. Current performance against the financial model suggests we will hit the projected payback point in under twelve months against an eighteen-month target. The operational efficiency gains in particular have exceeded the model, in part because the quality of the data the new platform generates supports decisions that the previous system could not.

What did you like most about working with this company?

Their instinct for keeping the business objective visible throughout technical decision-making. I have worked with technically excellent teams who lose the strategic thread as complexity increases. This team maintained a clear connection between every architectural choice and the outcome we had agreed to achieve. That orientation made the trade-off conversations significantly easier.

Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?

Unreservedly. We are in active scoping conversations for a second engagement and I expect this to develop into a multi-year partnership. For any organisation in the Environmental Services sector looking for IT Managed Services expertise combined with genuine delivery discipline, I would put this team at the top of the evaluation list.

Architecture review that saved us from a vendor decision we would have regretted for years

Rupert Ashford / Director of eCommerce - Hargrove Retail PLC

Verified
Jan 20, 2026

Project summary: The project had a board-facing delivery date tied to a strategic initiative. We needed a partner who would treat that date as their own, not ours.

The technical quality of the final deliverable is the easiest thing to point to. The automated test coverage is thorough, the deployment pipeline is reliable, the documentation is genuinely useful rather than ceremonially produced. But the metric I keep returning to is the number of post-launch conversations we have not had to have. No incident calls at two in the morning. No emergency patches. No retrospective discussions about what went wrong. The absence of those events is the evidence I would show to someone considering this vendor.

PROS

Senior-level engineering presence throughout the entire project, not just during the pitch, honest and commercially fair handling of scope changes, codebase that our internal team praised on review

CONS

The quality of documentation they produce means our team needed to set aside dedicated review time to do it justice — a minor scheduling point rather than a genuine criticism

4.0

Overall

4.5

Quality

4.5

Schedule

4.0

Cost

4.0

Communication

Project TypeIT Consulting

IndustryHuman Resources

Project Cost$150,000 to $499,999

DurationJul 2025 – Dec 2025

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

Hargrove Retail PLC is an established Human Resources organisation headquartered in Manchester, UK. My role as Director of eCommerce covers both strategic planning and operational technology delivery. We maintain high standards for our vendors because our clients hold us to high standards — a bar we expect our partners to meet.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

A competitive threat had accelerated our roadmap. We had planned a significant IT Consulting investment for the following year. External pressure moved that timeline forward by six months and required us to find an external partner rather than attempting to build internally in the time available.

What services did the company provide for your project?

End-to-end IT Consulting delivery with particular depth in the integration and data migration components, which were the highest-risk elements of the programme. They supplemented this with a dedicated QA resource throughout development and a documented runbook for our operations team at handover.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

A trusted peer in the Human Resources sector had used them for a comparable IT Consulting engagement and their recommendation was unequivocal. Our own due diligence confirmed the pattern they described. The combination of domain knowledge, IT Consulting depth, and demonstrated delivery discipline was the deciding factor.

How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?

Thoroughly and precisely. The requirements document they produced was detailed enough that our QA team used it directly to write acceptance criteria. Every user story had a defined business objective attached. Nothing was left to interpretation. That discipline in the requirements phase paid dividends throughout development and testing.

How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?

Communication was proactive, timely, and appropriately calibrated. Technical updates for the engineering audience, executive summaries for the steering group, risk flags with proposed mitigations rather than just problem statements. The fortnightly sprint reviews gave our stakeholders visibility without requiring them to attend every working session.

Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?

Yes. I had privately built a contingency expectation into my planning given the project complexity and the number of integrations involved. None of that contingency was needed. The delivery landed on the agreed date and the final invoice matched the approved budget to within a fraction of a percent. That outcome is rarer than the industry acknowledges.

What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?

The most direct measure is the performance of the system in production. In the five months since go-live we have had zero P1 incidents, our page performance scores have improved across every Core Web Vitals metric, and two enterprise clients who had cited our previous platform limitations during contract negotiations have since renewed without that objection arising.

What did you like most about working with this company?

The post-launch behaviour. Some vendors consider go-live to be the end of their professional obligation. This team treated it as the transition to a different kind of engagement. The hypercare period was substantive, the documentation was thorough and genuinely useful, and they checked in proactively at the thirty-day and ninety-day marks to review production metrics with us.

Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?

Absolutely. With a specific note that the value starts in the discovery phase — clients who approach that process with seriousness will get the most from the engagement. We invested appropriately at the front end and the returns are evident in what was delivered.

Performance testing that identified a latency issue three weeks before our biggest traffic event

Bilal Chaudhry / Co-Founder & CTO - Indus Software House

Verified
Jan 16, 2026

Project summary: Warehouse management inefficiencies were adding cost and introducing errors at a rate that was becoming visible to clients. A modernised WMS was the agreed solution internally — we needed a partner to build it.

What made the most difference in practice was the quality of the engineering judgment on this team. Not the ability to execute a specification — that is a baseline expectation. The ability to recognise when a specification was suboptimal, explain why, propose an alternative, and support the client in making a decision about it. That consultative dimension elevated the output beyond what the brief described and resulted in a product that is more fit for purpose than the one we had originally specified.

PROS

Architectural decisions designed for longevity rather than just the current brief, thorough automated test coverage, post-launch stability that validated every technical choice made during discovery

CONS

We underestimated the input required from our subject matter experts during the requirements phase. The team flagged this early but our resource planning did not fully reflect it — our responsibility, not theirs

4.5

Overall

5.0

Quality

4.0

Schedule

4.5

Cost

4.5

Communication

Project TypeQuality Assurance & Testing

IndustryLogistics & Supply Chain

Project Cost$50,000 to $149,999

DurationJun 2025 – Oct 2025

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

I lead technology at Indus Software House, a growth-stage Logistics & Supply Chain business based in Islamabad, Pakistan. As Co-Founder & CTO my remit spans product engineering, platform operations, and strategic vendor partnerships. We had reached an inflection point where our internal capacity was not sufficient to execute our roadmap at the pace our market required.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

We had a defined product vision for our next phase of growth in the Logistics & Supply Chain market but lacked the engineering depth internally to execute it. The Quality Assurance & Testing requirements in particular required specialist experience that we could not realistically recruit for on the timeline our business plan required.

What services did the company provide for your project?

Primarily Quality Assurance & Testing, with adjacent work in solution architecture and quality assurance. They were responsible for the full build from requirements through to go-live, including integration with four existing systems in our technology landscape. The breadth they covered without requiring additional vendors was commercially and logistically valuable.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

We had a failed engagement behind us and were more rigorous in our selection process as a result. We asked detailed questions about how they managed scope change, how they handled estimation, and how they communicated problems. The answers were specific, evidenced, and consistent across the team members we spoke to. That gave us confidence that the process was real rather than rehearsed.

How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?

Better than we managed ourselves going in. The workshops they facilitated surfaced assumptions we had not examined and exposed three requirements that were in direct conflict with each other. Resolving those before development began saved us what would certainly have been significant rework later in the project.

How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?

Outstanding. The discipline around asynchronous communication was particularly effective given the time zones involved between Islamabad, Pakistan and the delivery team. Written updates were specific and consistent, response times were same-day for anything that required a decision, and nothing fell through the cracks across a six-month engagement.

Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?

Yes to both. There was a single sprint where a dependency on a third-party API introduced a one-week delay. The team identified it three weeks in advance, presented two mitigation options, and we agreed on an approach that recovered the schedule within the same sprint cycle. That level of foresight is what separates good project management from reactive problem management.

What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?

The most direct measure is the performance of the system in production. In the five months since go-live we have had zero P1 incidents, our page performance scores have improved across every Core Web Vitals metric, and two enterprise clients who had cited our previous platform limitations during contract negotiations have since renewed without that objection arising.

What did you like most about working with this company?

The willingness to be direct. When our requirements were unclear they said so. When our priorities were contradictory they explained why. When a technical approach we had assumed was the right one turned out to have significant downsides, they told us before we had committed to it. That kind of intellectual honesty is what I look for in a long-term technology partner.

Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?

Yes, without reservation. I have already made two direct referrals within my Logistics & Supply Chain network — in both cases to peers facing Quality Assurance & Testing challenges similar to ours. I gave those referrals with confidence because I knew the experience I described was reproducible, not the result of exceptional circumstances on our engagement.

Outsourced IT that improved both the outcome and the cost line simultaneously

Sebastian Lapointe / CTO - Boreal Systems Inc

Verified
Jan 15, 2026

Project summary: Matter management had become a significant overhead for our fee earners. Every hour spent on administration was an hour not spent on billable advisory work — the business case was straightforward.

The technical quality of the final deliverable is the easiest thing to point to. The automated test coverage is thorough, the deployment pipeline is reliable, the documentation is genuinely useful rather than ceremonially produced. But the metric I keep returning to is the number of post-launch conversations we have not had to have. No incident calls at two in the morning. No emergency patches. No retrospective discussions about what went wrong. The absence of those events is the evidence I would show to someone considering this vendor.

PROS

Senior-level engineering presence throughout the entire project, not just during the pitch, honest and commercially fair handling of scope changes, codebase that our internal team praised on review

CONS

The engagement was priced at the quality level rather than the budget level. We evaluated the alternatives and concluded that the delta was a reasonable premium for the reduction in delivery risk

4.0

Overall

3.5

Quality

3.5

Schedule

4.0

Cost

4.5

Communication

Project TypeIT Managed Services

IndustryLegal Services

Project Cost$50,000 to $149,999

DurationJul 2025 – Oct 2025

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

As CTO at Boreal Systems Inc I oversee technology investment and delivery across our Legal Services operations in Toronto, Canada. We are a commercially focused business and our technology choices are always evaluated in terms of their direct contribution to business outcomes rather than technical elegance alone.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

A competitive threat had accelerated our roadmap. We had planned a significant IT Managed Services investment for the following year. External pressure moved that timeline forward by six months and required us to find an external partner rather than attempting to build internally in the time available.

What services did the company provide for your project?

End-to-end IT Managed Services delivery with particular depth in the integration and data migration components, which were the highest-risk elements of the programme. They supplemented this with a dedicated QA resource throughout development and a documented runbook for our operations team at handover.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

The quality of the questions they asked during the briefing process was the first indicator. Vendors who ask precise questions in the sales phase tend to apply the same rigour during delivery. That hypothesis proved accurate. The technical proposal was substantive, the team structure was senior throughout, and the pricing was transparent.

How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?

Extremely well, in part because they had relevant Legal Services experience that reduced the context-setting overhead significantly. They understood the domain vocabulary, asked the right questions, and translated business requirements into technical specifications with a fidelity that meant the development phase had very few clarification cycles.

How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?

Communication was proactive, timely, and appropriately calibrated. Technical updates for the engineering audience, executive summaries for the steering group, risk flags with proposed mitigations rather than just problem statements. The fortnightly sprint reviews gave our stakeholders visibility without requiring them to attend every working session.

Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?

Yes to both. There was a single sprint where a dependency on a third-party API introduced a one-week delay. The team identified it three weeks in advance, presented two mitigation options, and we agreed on an approach that recovered the schedule within the same sprint cycle. That level of foresight is what separates good project management from reactive problem management.

What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?

Quantifying the impact precisely is complicated by other variables in our business, but the metrics we can attribute directly to the IT Managed Services work are meaningful: session duration up, conversion rate up, error rate down, and our NPS for the digital touchpoint has improved by eleven points. Our account managers report that the new capability is coming up positively in client conversations.

What did you like most about working with this company?

The willingness to be direct. When our requirements were unclear they said so. When our priorities were contradictory they explained why. When a technical approach we had assumed was the right one turned out to have significant downsides, they told us before we had committed to it. That kind of intellectual honesty is what I look for in a long-term technology partner.

Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?

Yes, without reservation. I have already made two direct referrals within my Legal Services network — in both cases to peers facing IT Managed Services challenges similar to ours. I gave those referrals with confidence because I knew the experience I described was reproducible, not the result of exceptional circumstances on our engagement.

Stunning web platform delivered on time and on budget

James Wilson / IT Director - Enterprise Systems

Verified
Oct 08, 2023

Project summary: Our company needed a reliable technology partner to deliver a complex project within a tight timeline.

From the discovery workshop to the final handover, the experience was seamless. The team invested real effort in understanding our business goals before writing a single line of code, and that foundation paid dividends throughout. Every milestone was hit, every deliverable was polished, and the few issues that arose were resolved before we even had to ask. The solution has already delivered measurable ROI and we are planning our next engagement with them.

PROS

Proactive risk management, domain expertise, fast turnaround on feedback, genuinely invested in our success

CONS

Wish we had engaged them sooner; no meaningful issues to report

5.0

Overall

5.0

Quality

5.0

Schedule

5.0

Cost

5.0

Communication

Project TypeWeb Development

IndustryLegal Services

Project Cost$500,000+

DurationSep 2024 – Aug 2025

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

We are a IT Director-led organisation operating in the Legal Services sector. My role involves overseeing strategic technology decisions and vendor partnerships. We have been growing steadily and needed a trusted partner to help us scale our digital capabilities.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

Our primary challenge was modernising our Legal Services operations through Web Development. Legacy systems were limiting our agility and we needed a solution that could scale with our growth ambitions and integrate with our existing infrastructure.

What services did the company provide for your project?

They delivered a comprehensive Web Development engagement covering requirements analysis, solution architecture, full-cycle development, QA testing, deployment, and post-launch support. The scope was well-defined and executed without scope creep.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

Their demonstrated expertise in Web Development and a strong portfolio of Legal Services projects set them apart during our evaluation. The discovery call gave us confidence they truly understood our domain, not just the technology.

How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?

Exceptionally well. They ran a structured discovery process, asked insightful questions, and produced a detailed requirements document that captured nuances we hadn't even articulated ourselves. That foundation made the entire project smoother.

How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?

Outstanding. We had a dedicated project manager, weekly status calls, a shared project board, and same-day responses to queries. There were no surprises — risks were flagged early and resolved before they became issues.

Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?

Yes, the project was delivered on the agreed date and within budget. Their estimates were realistic and they managed scope carefully, flagging any potential changes before they impacted the timeline or cost.

What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?

Significant. Since go-live we have seen measurable improvements in operational efficiency, customer satisfaction scores have risen, and the solution has already paid back a substantial portion of the investment. The team built something we are genuinely proud of.

What did you like most about working with this company?

Their genuine investment in our success. They didn't just execute a spec — they brought ideas, challenged assumptions, and cared about the outcome as much as we did. The quality of the codebase and documentation also stood out.

Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?

Absolutely and without hesitation. We have already referred two colleagues, and we are actively scoping the next phase of work with them. They are our go-to partner for Web Development projects going forward.

Exceeded all expectations — highly recommended

Kevin O'Brien / CIO - Atlantic Tech

Verified
Jul 06, 2023

Project summary: The project demanded deep technical expertise and a thorough understanding of our business domain.

We evaluated five vendors before choosing this team, and the decision has been fully validated. Their technical skills are top-tier, but what really sets them apart is their commitment to understanding the business context behind every requirement. The project was delivered on time, the solution is robust and scalable, and the knowledge transfer was thorough. A truly outstanding engagement from start to finish.

PROS

Excellent communication, high-quality deliverables, on-time delivery, proactive problem-solving

CONS

Initial onboarding took a couple of extra days, but the team hit full stride very quickly

5.0

Overall

5.0

Quality

5.0

Schedule

5.0

Cost

5.0

Communication

Project TypeCybersecurity

IndustryHuman Resources

Project CostLess than $10,000

DurationFeb 2025 – Sep 2025

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.

We are a CIO-led organisation operating in the Human Resources sector. My role involves overseeing strategic technology decisions and vendor partnerships. We have been growing steadily and needed a trusted partner to help us scale our digital capabilities.

What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?

Our primary challenge was modernising our Human Resources operations through Cybersecurity. Legacy systems were limiting our agility and we needed a solution that could scale with our growth ambitions and integrate with our existing infrastructure.

What services did the company provide for your project?

They delivered a comprehensive Cybersecurity engagement covering requirements analysis, solution architecture, full-cycle development, QA testing, deployment, and post-launch support. The scope was well-defined and executed without scope creep.

Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?

Their demonstrated expertise in Cybersecurity and a strong portfolio of Human Resources projects set them apart during our evaluation. The discovery call gave us confidence they truly understood our domain, not just the technology.