About NEXTFLY Web Design

Here, they take pride in the connections they have with their customers. They don’t just develop websites and walk away. They partner with organizations to not just build but maintain an online closeness that provides to the changing requirements as well as search engines. They like their clients, and they work difficult to explain it! They focus on the development of complicated solutions, that provide to their clients’ benefit by growing leaders in their markets.

Last updated May 13, 2026

Services

Mobile App Development Web Development Web Design E-commerce Development Logo Designing

Industries Served

Aerospace & Defense Travel & Hospitality Sports & Fitness Real Estate Government & Public Sector Agriculture Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology Advertising & Marketing

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Cloud architecture that reduced our monthly infrastructure spend by over a third

Marcus Holloway / SVP of Engineering - Vertex Cloud Dynamics
Verified
Jun 10, 2026

Project summary: Our internal product thinking was strong but our execution capability in this specific technology domain was limited. We needed depth, not generalism.

What made the most difference in practice was the quality of the engineering judgment on this team. Not the ability to execute a specification — that is a baseline expectation. The ability to recognise when a specification was suboptimal, explain why, propose an alternative, and support the client in making a decision about it. That consultative dimension elevated the output beyond what the brief described and resulted in a product that is more fit for purpose than the one we had originally specified.

PROS

Senior-level engineering presence throughout the entire project, not just during the pitch, honest and commercially fair handling of scope changes, codebase that our internal team praised on review

CONS

The quality of documentation they produce means our team needed to set aside dedicated review time to do it justice — a minor scheduling point rather than a genuine criticism

4.5
Overall
4.5
Quality
4.5
Schedule
4.5
Cost
4.5
Communication
Project TypeCloud Services
IndustryAerospace & Defense
Project Cost$10,000 to $49,999
DurationAug 2025 – Apr 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.
Vertex Cloud Dynamics operates in the Aerospace & Defense sector with headquarters in Austin, USA. In my role as SVP of Engineering I am accountable for the full technology agenda — infrastructure, product, and vendor relationships. We are a commercially driven organisation and every technology decision is evaluated against a clear business case before it is approved.
What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?
A competitive threat had accelerated our roadmap. We had planned a significant Cloud Services investment for the following year. External pressure moved that timeline forward by six months and required us to find an external partner rather than attempting to build internally in the time available.
What services did the company provide for your project?
The scope covered the full Cloud Services lifecycle: discovery and requirements definition, solution architecture, iterative development across twelve sprints, integration testing, performance validation, production deployment, and a structured four-week hypercare period. They also provided system documentation and a knowledge transfer programme for our internal team.
Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?
A trusted peer in the Aerospace & Defense sector had used them for a comparable Cloud Services engagement and their recommendation was unequivocal. Our own due diligence confirmed the pattern they described. The combination of domain knowledge, Cloud Services depth, and demonstrated delivery discipline was the deciding factor.
How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?
Thoroughly and precisely. The requirements document they produced was detailed enough that our QA team used it directly to write acceptance criteria. Every user story had a defined business objective attached. Nothing was left to interpretation. That discipline in the requirements phase paid dividends throughout development and testing.
How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?
The project management framework was the most structured I have experienced with an external vendor. Sprint planning was tight, acceptance criteria were specific, retrospectives were honest and acted on. The project manager treated the shared backlog as a live document and the risk register as an operational tool rather than a compliance artefact. I never had to ask for a status update.
Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?
The project landed on time. The budget was managed within the agreed ceiling, which included one client-driven scope addition that was quoted fairly and handled without affecting the original delivery stream. The discipline around budget transparency throughout meant there was no surprise at invoice stage.
What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?
Quantifying the impact precisely is complicated by other variables in our business, but the metrics we can attribute directly to the Cloud Services work are meaningful: session duration up, conversion rate up, error rate down, and our NPS for the digital touchpoint has improved by eleven points. Our account managers report that the new capability is coming up positively in client conversations.
What did you like most about working with this company?
The post-launch behaviour. Some vendors consider go-live to be the end of their professional obligation. This team treated it as the transition to a different kind of engagement. The hypercare period was substantive, the documentation was thorough and genuinely useful, and they checked in proactively at the thirty-day and ninety-day marks to review production metrics with us.
Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?
Yes, without reservation. I have already made two direct referrals within my Aerospace & Defense network — in both cases to peers facing Cloud Services challenges similar to ours. I gave those referrals with confidence because I knew the experience I described was reproducible, not the result of exceptional circumstances on our engagement.

QA coverage that finally made Friday deployments feel like a professional activity

Lars Pfeiffer / VP of Technology - NordTech Logistik GmbH
Verified
Jun 05, 2026

Project summary: Dynamic pricing had been a manual process for years. We knew the revenue management opportunity was significant but lacked the technical capability to build the models and connect them to our booking engine.

Our stakeholder group included board members, clinical leads, compliance officers, and end users — each with different technical literacy and different success criteria. This team navigated that stakeholder landscape as well as any vendor I have seen. They adjusted their communication register depending on the audience without losing the substance. They managed expectations honestly throughout. And they delivered a system that each group can point to as meeting their requirements. That breadth is genuinely uncommon.

PROS

Deep domain knowledge that reduced the discovery overhead significantly, proactive risk identification before issues became incidents, delivery cadence that our stakeholders found reassuring

CONS

Pipeline availability for kickoff required a few weeks of lead time — in hindsight that selection pressure means you are working with a team that is in demand for the right reasons

4.0
Overall
4.5
Quality
4.0
Schedule
4.0
Cost
4.0
Communication
Project TypeQuality Assurance & Testing
IndustryTravel & Hospitality
Project Cost$50,000 to $149,999
DurationDec 2025 – Mar 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.
NordTech Logistik GmbH operates in the Travel & Hospitality sector with headquarters in Hamburg, Germany. In my role as VP of Technology I am accountable for the full technology agenda — infrastructure, product, and vendor relationships. We are a commercially driven organisation and every technology decision is evaluated against a clear business case before it is approved.
What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?
We had a defined product vision for our next phase of growth in the Travel & Hospitality market but lacked the engineering depth internally to execute it. The Quality Assurance & Testing requirements in particular required specialist experience that we could not realistically recruit for on the timeline our business plan required.
What services did the company provide for your project?
The scope covered the full Quality Assurance & Testing lifecycle: discovery and requirements definition, solution architecture, iterative development across twelve sprints, integration testing, performance validation, production deployment, and a structured four-week hypercare period. They also provided system documentation and a knowledge transfer programme for our internal team.
Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?
We had a failed engagement behind us and were more rigorous in our selection process as a result. We asked detailed questions about how they managed scope change, how they handled estimation, and how they communicated problems. The answers were specific, evidenced, and consistent across the team members we spoke to. That gave us confidence that the process was real rather than rehearsed.
How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?
Better than we managed ourselves going in. The workshops they facilitated surfaced assumptions we had not examined and exposed three requirements that were in direct conflict with each other. Resolving those before development began saved us what would certainly have been significant rework later in the project.
How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?
Professional and efficient. The project manager maintained a clear view of the critical path at all times and communicated changes to it transparently. The one significant scope adjustment we made mid-project was handled through a clean change request process — fairly priced, clearly documented, and absorbed without disrupting the overall timeline.
Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?
On time and within the approved budget. The estimation accuracy was notable — they had broken the work down in sufficient detail during discovery that their forecast proved reliable throughout, rather than being a number that shifted with every change in scope. We received one change request and it was for scope we had introduced ourselves.
What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?
Quantifying the impact precisely is complicated by other variables in our business, but the metrics we can attribute directly to the Quality Assurance & Testing work are meaningful: session duration up, conversion rate up, error rate down, and our NPS for the digital touchpoint has improved by eleven points. Our account managers report that the new capability is coming up positively in client conversations.
What did you like most about working with this company?
The willingness to be direct. When our requirements were unclear they said so. When our priorities were contradictory they explained why. When a technical approach we had assumed was the right one turned out to have significant downsides, they told us before we had committed to it. That kind of intellectual honesty is what I look for in a long-term technology partner.
Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?
Yes. I would add the context that this is not the cheapest option in the market and they are selective about the engagements they take on. If your primary criterion is price, there are alternatives. If you want a technology partner who can be trusted with a complex Quality Assurance & Testing programme in the Travel & Hospitality space and will deliver against a serious brief, this is the team.

IT partner embedded deeply enough to understand our business, not just our ticket queue

Nora Al-Otaibi / VP of Engineering - Salam Digital Solutions
Verified
May 02, 2026

Project summary: Our internal product thinking was strong but our execution capability in this specific technology domain was limited. We needed depth, not generalism.

The technical quality of the final deliverable is the easiest thing to point to. The automated test coverage is thorough, the deployment pipeline is reliable, the documentation is genuinely useful rather than ceremonially produced. But the metric I keep returning to is the number of post-launch conversations we have not had to have. No incident calls at two in the morning. No emergency patches. No retrospective discussions about what went wrong. The absence of those events is the evidence I would show to someone considering this vendor.

PROS

Senior-level engineering presence throughout the entire project, not just during the pitch, honest and commercially fair handling of scope changes, codebase that our internal team praised on review

CONS

The quality of documentation they produce means our team needed to set aside dedicated review time to do it justice — a minor scheduling point rather than a genuine criticism

4.0
Overall
4.5
Quality
4.5
Schedule
4.0
Cost
4.0
Communication
Project TypeIT Managed Services
IndustrySports & Fitness
Project Cost$10,000 to $49,999
DurationDec 2025 – Mar 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.
Salam Digital Solutions operates in the Sports & Fitness sector with headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. In my role as VP of Engineering I am accountable for the full technology agenda — infrastructure, product, and vendor relationships. We are a commercially driven organisation and every technology decision is evaluated against a clear business case before it is approved.
What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?
Regulatory requirements in our Sports & Fitness segment had changed and the compliance timeline was set by our regulator, not by us. The IT Managed Services changes required were significant enough to justify engaging a specialist partner rather than diverting our internal team from the product roadmap.
What services did the company provide for your project?
End-to-end IT Managed Services delivery with particular depth in the integration and data migration components, which were the highest-risk elements of the programme. They supplemented this with a dedicated QA resource throughout development and a documented runbook for our operations team at handover.
Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?
A trusted peer in the Sports & Fitness sector had used them for a comparable IT Managed Services engagement and their recommendation was unequivocal. Our own due diligence confirmed the pattern they described. The combination of domain knowledge, IT Managed Services depth, and demonstrated delivery discipline was the deciding factor.
How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?
Better than we managed ourselves going in. The workshops they facilitated surfaced assumptions we had not examined and exposed three requirements that were in direct conflict with each other. Resolving those before development began saved us what would certainly have been significant rework later in the project.
How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?
Professional and efficient. The project manager maintained a clear view of the critical path at all times and communicated changes to it transparently. The one significant scope adjustment we made mid-project was handled through a clean change request process — fairly priced, clearly documented, and absorbed without disrupting the overall timeline.
Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?
The project landed on time. The budget was managed within the agreed ceiling, which included one client-driven scope addition that was quoted fairly and handled without affecting the original delivery stream. The discipline around budget transparency throughout meant there was no surprise at invoice stage.
What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?
The ROI case we presented to our board was conservative by design. Current performance against the financial model suggests we will hit the projected payback point in under twelve months against an eighteen-month target. The operational efficiency gains in particular have exceeded the model, in part because the quality of the data the new platform generates supports decisions that the previous system could not.
What did you like most about working with this company?
Their instinct for keeping the business objective visible throughout technical decision-making. I have worked with technically excellent teams who lose the strategic thread as complexity increases. This team maintained a clear connection between every architectural choice and the outcome we had agreed to achieve. That orientation made the trade-off conversations significantly easier.
Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?
Yes. I would add the context that this is not the cheapest option in the market and they are selective about the engagements they take on. If your primary criterion is price, there are alternatives. If you want a technology partner who can be trusted with a complex IT Managed Services programme in the Sports & Fitness space and will deliver against a serious brief, this is the team.

Finance and operations now work from identical numbers — the value of that cannot be overstated

Nathan Prescott / VP of Technology - Ironclad Insurance Group
Verified
Apr 14, 2026

Project summary: Digital-first buyer behaviour had made our property search experience a genuine competitive liability. We needed it to match the quality of the portfolio it was representing.

The project brief was ambitious and we had received proposals ranging from two to five times our eventual budget from other vendors. This team came back with a proposal that was commercially realistic and technically credible — and then delivered against it. That alignment between proposal and outcome is not something I take for granted. I have been on the other side of it enough times to know it requires both honesty in the sales process and discipline in delivery. We experienced both.

PROS

Production system that has performed as specified since go-live without remediation work, documentation thorough enough to support internal maintenance, knowledge transfer that left our team genuinely capable

CONS

Pipeline availability for kickoff required a few weeks of lead time — in hindsight that selection pressure means you are working with a team that is in demand for the right reasons

4.5
Overall
4.0
Quality
4.5
Schedule
5.0
Cost
4.0
Communication
Project TypeERP Development
IndustryReal Estate
Project Cost$150,000 to $499,999
DurationJul 2025 – Mar 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.
Ironclad Insurance Group is an established Real Estate organisation headquartered in New York, USA. My role as VP of Technology covers both strategic planning and operational technology delivery. We maintain high standards for our vendors because our clients hold us to high standards — a bar we expect our partners to meet.
What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?
Regulatory requirements in our Real Estate segment had changed and the compliance timeline was set by our regulator, not by us. The ERP Development changes required were significant enough to justify engaging a specialist partner rather than diverting our internal team from the product roadmap.
What services did the company provide for your project?
End-to-end ERP Development delivery with particular depth in the integration and data migration components, which were the highest-risk elements of the programme. They supplemented this with a dedicated QA resource throughout development and a documented runbook for our operations team at handover.
Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?
We ran a structured shortlisting process across five vendors. The technical evaluation eliminated two immediately. Of the remaining three, this team's proposal was differentiated by the specificity of their ERP Development approach and the evidence base they provided — reference projects in Real Estate contexts, not generic case studies. The reference calls confirmed a track record that the proposal had described accurately.
How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?
Better than we managed ourselves going in. The workshops they facilitated surfaced assumptions we had not examined and exposed three requirements that were in direct conflict with each other. Resolving those before development began saved us what would certainly have been significant rework later in the project.
How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?
Professional and efficient. The project manager maintained a clear view of the critical path at all times and communicated changes to it transparently. The one significant scope adjustment we made mid-project was handled through a clean change request process — fairly priced, clearly documented, and absorbed without disrupting the overall timeline.
Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?
Yes to both. There was a single sprint where a dependency on a third-party API introduced a one-week delay. The team identified it three weeks in advance, presented two mitigation options, and we agreed on an approach that recovered the schedule within the same sprint cycle. That level of foresight is what separates good project management from reactive problem management.
What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?
The ROI case we presented to our board was conservative by design. Current performance against the financial model suggests we will hit the projected payback point in under twelve months against an eighteen-month target. The operational efficiency gains in particular have exceeded the model, in part because the quality of the data the new platform generates supports decisions that the previous system could not.
What did you like most about working with this company?
The post-launch behaviour. Some vendors consider go-live to be the end of their professional obligation. This team treated it as the transition to a different kind of engagement. The hypercare period was substantive, the documentation was thorough and genuinely useful, and they checked in proactively at the thirty-day and ninety-day marks to review production metrics with us.
Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?
Yes. I would add the context that this is not the cheapest option in the market and they are selective about the engagements they take on. If your primary criterion is price, there are alternatives. If you want a technology partner who can be trusted with a complex ERP Development programme in the Real Estate space and will deliver against a serious brief, this is the team.

Business system that replaced seven legacy tools and consolidated our data model entirely

Yuki Hashimoto / Head of Product Development - East Asia Commerce KK
Verified
Mar 28, 2026

Project summary: Cross-agency data sharing had been blocked by incompatible systems for four years. A secure integration platform was the prerequisite for every transformation initiative in our roadmap.

The thing that retrospectively seems most significant is how little drama there was. Complex technology projects tend to accumulate incidents, escalations, and tense conversations. This one did not. Problems were surfaced before they became incidents. Scope changes were handled with process rather than conflict. Risks were managed rather than avoided. That level of maturity is rare in my experience and it made the delivery feel almost effortless from our side, which I know it was not from theirs.

PROS

Clear and consistent communication adapted appropriately for both technical and non-technical stakeholders, shared tooling that gave our team real-time visibility, reliable sprint delivery throughout

CONS

Time zone coordination required some deliberate overlap management from both sides in the first couple of sprints, after which we had an efficient async rhythm that worked for the whole project

4.0
Overall
4.0
Quality
4.0
Schedule
4.5
Cost
4.5
Communication
Project TypeERP Development
IndustryGovernment & Public Sector
Project Cost$500,000+
DurationJun 2025 – Feb 2026

Questions & Answers

Please describe your company, your role, and the industry you operate in.
I lead technology at East Asia Commerce KK, a growth-stage Government & Public Sector business based in Osaka, Japan. As Head of Product Development my remit spans product engineering, platform operations, and strategic vendor partnerships. We had reached an inflection point where our internal capacity was not sufficient to execute our roadmap at the pace our market required.
What specific problem or business challenge led you to hire this company?
Our platform had been maintained by a previous vendor for three years and the accumulated technical debt had reached a point where delivery velocity had dropped to a fraction of what it should have been. We needed fresh engineering expertise and a structured plan to address the underlying issues.
What services did the company provide for your project?
The scope covered the full ERP Development lifecycle: discovery and requirements definition, solution architecture, iterative development across twelve sprints, integration testing, performance validation, production deployment, and a structured four-week hypercare period. They also provided system documentation and a knowledge transfer programme for our internal team.
Why did you choose this company over other providers you considered?
A trusted peer in the Government & Public Sector sector had used them for a comparable ERP Development engagement and their recommendation was unequivocal. Our own due diligence confirmed the pattern they described. The combination of domain knowledge, ERP Development depth, and demonstrated delivery discipline was the deciding factor.
How clearly did the company understand your requirements and business goals?
Better than we managed ourselves going in. The workshops they facilitated surfaced assumptions we had not examined and exposed three requirements that were in direct conflict with each other. Resolving those before development began saved us what would certainly have been significant rework later in the project.
How was your overall experience with their communication and project management?
Professional and efficient. The project manager maintained a clear view of the critical path at all times and communicated changes to it transparently. The one significant scope adjustment we made mid-project was handled through a clean change request process — fairly priced, clearly documented, and absorbed without disrupting the overall timeline.
Did the company deliver the project on time and within your expected budget?
Yes to both. There was a single sprint where a dependency on a third-party API introduced a one-week delay. The team identified it three weeks in advance, presented two mitigation options, and we agreed on an approach that recovered the schedule within the same sprint cycle. That level of foresight is what separates good project management from reactive problem management.
What tangible results or business impact have you seen since the project was completed?
Quantifying the impact precisely is complicated by other variables in our business, but the metrics we can attribute directly to the ERP Development work are meaningful: session duration up, conversion rate up, error rate down, and our NPS for the digital touchpoint has improved by eleven points. Our account managers report that the new capability is coming up positively in client conversations.
What did you like most about working with this company?
The willingness to be direct. When our requirements were unclear they said so. When our priorities were contradictory they explained why. When a technical approach we had assumed was the right one turned out to have significant downsides, they told us before we had committed to it. That kind of intellectual honesty is what I look for in a long-term technology partner.
Would you recommend this company to others, and would you work with them again?
Yes. I would add the context that this is not the cheapest option in the market and they are selective about the engagements they take on. If your primary criterion is price, there are alternatives. If you want a technology partner who can be trusted with a complex ERP Development programme in the Government & Public Sector space and will deliver against a serious brief, this is the team.

Company Info

Founded 2000
Employees 10 - 49
Hourly Rate $100 - $149
Client Rating 4.1/5 (8 reviews)

Rating Breakdown

Quality
4.1
Schedule
4.2
Cost
4.2
Communication
4.1

FAQs

Does NEXTFLY Web Design actually build with AI, or just talk about it?
Plenty of modern software teams, NEXTFLY Web Design included, now build real AI and machine learning features — chatbots, predictive models, computer vision, and automation that goes beyond simple rule-based scripts. For context, its listed capabilities span E-commerce Development, Logo Designing, Mobile App Development, Web Design and Web Development, and it has experience across industries such as Travel & Hospitality, Aerospace & Defense, Real Estate, Advertising & Marketing, Sports & Fitness and Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology.
What's actually in NEXTFLY Web Design's technical toolkit?
The exact stack shifts by project, but NEXTFLY Web Design commonly works across things like React, Angular, Vue.js, Node.js, Python, .NET, Java, PHP, Flutter, React Native, native iOS and Android, and cloud platforms like AWS and Azure. For context, its listed capabilities span E-commerce Development, Logo Designing, Mobile App Development, Web Design and Web Development, and it has been operating since 2000.
What happens with NEXTFLY Web Design after the project actually launches?
Like most established software teams, NEXTFLY Web Design typically sticks around post-launch for ongoing maintenance — bug fixes, performance tuning, security patching, new feature work, and general technical support. For context, it has experience across industries such as Travel & Hospitality, Aerospace & Defense, Real Estate, Advertising & Marketing, Sports & Fitness and Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology, and it reports a team size of 10 - 49 professionals.
What should I actually be looking at when comparing a company like NEXTFLY Web Design to others?
When you're weighing up a software partner such as NEXTFLY Web Design, it's worth looking past the pitch and checking the portfolio, what past clients say, relevant industry background, technical range, how they communicate, pricing structure, project management style, and what support looks like after launch. For context, its listed capabilities span E-commerce Development, Logo Designing, Mobile App Development, Web Design and Web Development, and its average project cost is reported at $5000000+.
What should I expect to pay to work with NEXTFLY Web Design?
What NEXTFLY Web Design charges comes down to a handful of variables — how complex the project is, the number of development hours involved, the tech stack required, team size, and which engagement model you pick. Based on available data, NEXTFLY Web Design's typical hourly rate is around $100 - $149, with an average project cost of $5000000+.
Will NEXTFLY Web Design sign an NDA before we even discuss the project in detail?
Most professional shops, including NEXTFLY Web Design, expect to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement before getting into specifics — it's a fairly standard ask and a reasonable one to make before sharing anything sensitive. For context, its listed capabilities span E-commerce Development, Logo Designing, Mobile App Development, Web Design and Web Development, and its typical hourly rate is around $100 - $149.
What are the actual contract options if I want to work with NEXTFLY Web Design?
Most companies structured like NEXTFLY Web Design give you a choice between a fixed-price contract, a dedicated team arrangement, or time-and-materials billing, so you can pick whichever lines up with your budget and how well-defined your scope already is. For context, it has served clients in USA, and its average project cost is reported at $5000000+.
What's the easiest way to actually get in touch with NEXTFLY Web Design?
Most businesses reach NEXTFLY Web Design through its website, a direct email, or a contact form — any of which works for discussing what you need, booking an initial conversation, or asking for a rough estimate. For context, it has served clients in USA, and it has experience across industries such as Travel & Hospitality, Aerospace & Defense, Real Estate, Advertising & Marketing, Sports & Fitness and Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology.
How do I actually get a real proposal out of NEXTFLY Web Design instead of a generic reply?
The most reliable route is giving NEXTFLY Web Design a clear, specific brief up front — through their website form, a direct email, or a call — since a vague ask tends to get a vague answer back, while a concrete one usually gets a proper estimate. For context, it has served clients in USA, and its average project cost is reported at $5000000+.